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Only chaff and split fleet dodge are allowed. All other cheats are banned. See [[Known Bugs]] ([http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=msg&th=2387&start=0&rid=78&S=96b36656a88f3a20ea51269285c87ba9 or at HWF]) for details. | Only chaff and split fleet dodge are allowed. All other cheats are banned. See [[Known Bugs]] ([http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=msg&th=2387&start=0&rid=78&S=96b36656a88f3a20ea51269285c87ba9 or at HWF]) for details. | ||
− | A | + | A few of interesting points: |
#Banning the ''[[ISB]] trumps [[IT]] gate scanning'' bug would require banning the [[ISB]] [[LRT]], which at the time of writing has never happened because of the bug. | #Banning the ''[[ISB]] trumps [[IT]] gate scanning'' bug would require banning the [[ISB]] [[LRT]], which at the time of writing has never happened because of the bug. | ||
#The ''[[repair]] after gating loophole'' has been known for some time but only recently listed in the [[Known Bugs]]. The most obvious reason for its lack of enforcement as a cheat is that merges after gate travel happen so often that accidents would be inevitable. Also, damage from [[overgating]] counts here. | #The ''[[repair]] after gating loophole'' has been known for some time but only recently listed in the [[Known Bugs]]. The most obvious reason for its lack of enforcement as a cheat is that merges after gate travel happen so often that accidents would be inevitable. Also, damage from [[overgating]] counts here. | ||
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+ | ==Survey== | ||
+ | [[Image:Ban Survey Responses Chart.png|frame|Number of daily responses]]These are the results from a survey conducted by [[User:Gible|Gible]] from March 2010. In all, 35 responses were received. | ||
+ | ;Conclusion:The results slide reasonable smoothly from the generally acknowledged feature (Chaff), through the bugs that are infeasible to ban, those that we would hope to be fixed and finally to the one out-right cheat (Free-pop hack). As expected, the top four bugs are generally allowed, and there is a long tail of generally banned bugs. More interesting are the 3 bugs immediately after the accepted bugs (listed as 5-8) where responses are most evenly divided. Two of the three are (relatively) recently discovered bugs whose impact are acknowledged to be significant but there is no consensus on an effective method to cope with them and the third was fixed over 10yr ago. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ;Method:The survey was titled "Feature, Bug or cheat?" and was introduced with: | ||
+ | ::''The standard cheats disclaimers reads: "All cheats are banned except chaff and split fleet." Should this be changed? Below are listed all of the known player exploitable bugs. Which ones do you think should be allowed in a normal, vanilla game.'' | ||
+ | :For each bug/feature the description from [[Known Bugs]] was provided and the options of Allow, Ban or Other - where the user was able to suggest any alternative. You can submit a response [https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/gible.net/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dHhHbVFPdXM0Ym1iM1hNeHg5ZW9nSHc6MA#gid=0 here]. | ||
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+ | ;Results:In this result summary, the various cheats/features have been sorted according to the response from most in favour of being allowed to most in favour of being banned along with other responses where given. Not listed are repeated other responses, "fix it", "who cares", "irrelevant" and obscene responses. | ||
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+ | |__TOC__ | ||
+ | |} | ||
+ | ===Chaff=== | ||
+ | {{abo|29|3|2|Chaffresponse.png}} | ||
+ | Other responses: | ||
+ | *Not a bug | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Split Fleet Dodge=== | ||
+ | {{abo|25|4|6|Split Fleet Dodge Chart.png}} | ||
+ | Other responses: | ||
+ | *Restrict within reason. | ||
+ | *Not a bug | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===ISB Trumps IT Gate Scanning=== | ||
+ | {{abo|18|6|6|ISB Trumps IT Gate Scanning Chart.png}} | ||
+ | Other responses: | ||
+ | *bug but not sure you can ban it. | ||
+ | *Enforcing a ban makes USB | ||
+ | *you can't really ban ISB, nor a specific gate when there are reasonable uses for both. if you see obvious abuse, maybe. | ||
+ | *Not a bug. Cloaking. | ||
+ | *Not preventable | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Repair After Gating Loophole AKA SFX Merging=== | ||
+ | {{abo|17|10|2|Repair After Gating Loophole AKA SFX Merging Chart.png}} | ||
+ | Other responses: | ||
+ | *Up to the host. Rather hard to police | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Exploding Minefield Dodge=== | ||
+ | {{abo|14|13|3|Exploding Minefield Dodge Chart.png}} | ||
+ | Other responses: | ||
+ | *Horrible bug. But avoiding it disadvantages the player.... So can't really ban it. | ||
+ | *Not preventable | ||
+ | *I think you have to allow this because I can't think of a reasonable way to ban it. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===UR/CE Scrapping=== | ||
+ | {{abo|13|14|5|CE Scrapping Chart.png}} | ||
+ | Other responses: | ||
+ | *no longer a problem, no minerals generated .7*.7=.49 < .5 | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Starbase Friendly Fire=== | ||
+ | {{abo|11|16|3|Starbase Friendly Fire Chart.png}} | ||
+ | Other responses: | ||
+ | *mostly not done intentionally and often a reason to regen (only once per game, of course) | ||
+ | *Ban use of "Attack Everyone", allow "Attack (Player#)" only if the player's presented a decent case that they have a legit reason. | ||
+ | *"Attack Everyone" banned, "Attack player#" must be cleared with host first (legit situations exist). | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Mine Damage Dodge=== | ||
+ | {{abo|11|20|0|Mine Damage Dodge Chart.png}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Target List Overload === | ||
+ | {{abo|8|20|4|Target List Overload Chart.png}} | ||
+ | Other responses: | ||
+ | *If hiding real fleets ban--there are real reasons to havE more than 100...ie. Playing the odds slamming fleets through mine fields so most of your fleet arrives and only some get stopped | ||
+ | *Resrict within reason | ||
+ | *Really annoying... But there is legitimate case (split fleet during crash sweep) | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===False Public Player Scores=== | ||
+ | {{abo|8|17|6|False Public Player Scores Chart.png}} | ||
+ | Other responses: | ||
+ | *If anyone is fooled by this it serves you right for not scanning diligently. | ||
+ | *Explicitly ban in non PPS games too (resource total not shown) | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===0.2% Minimum Damage=== | ||
+ | {{abo|6|24|0|0.2% Minimum Damage Chart.png}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Battle Board Overload=== | ||
+ | {{abo|4|29|0|Battle Board Overload Chart.png}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Mineral Upload=== | ||
+ | {{abo|2|27|6|Mineral Upload Chart.png}} | ||
+ | Other responses: | ||
+ | *There are other methods of denying spoils | ||
+ | *I want to say ban, but how do you enforce this? Except where the world is completely stripped, it'd be hard to know it'd happened. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Cheap Starbase=== | ||
+ | {{abo|2|29|4|Cheap Starbase Chart.png}} | ||
+ | Other responses: | ||
+ | *Thought rc4 fixed this. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Space Dock Armor Slot Buffer Overflow=== | ||
+ | {{abo|1|30|1|Space Dock Armor Slot Buffer Overflow Chart.png}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===East-West Speed Bump Minefield Immunity=== | ||
+ | {{abo|0|33|1|East-West Speed Bump Minefield Immunity Chart.png}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===North-South Minefield Immunity=== | ||
+ | {{abo|0|33|2|North-South Minefield Immunity Chart.png}} | ||
+ | Other responses: | ||
+ | *Only Ban If you are purpusly going to a planet to attack. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Freepop Hack=== | ||
+ | {{abo|0|33|2|Freepop Hack Chart.png}} | ||
+ | Other responses: | ||
+ | *Fixed | ||
+ | |||
[[category:glossary]] | [[category:glossary]] |
Revision as of 05:17, 14 March 2011
The standard cheats disclaimer:
Only chaff and split fleet dodge are allowed. All other cheats are banned. See Known Bugs (or at HWF) for details.
A few of interesting points:
- Banning the ISB trumps IT gate scanning bug would require banning the ISB LRT, which at the time of writing has never happened because of the bug.
- The repair after gating loophole has been known for some time but only recently listed in the Known Bugs. The most obvious reason for its lack of enforcement as a cheat is that merges after gate travel happen so often that accidents would be inevitable. Also, damage from overgating counts here.
Survey
These are the results from a survey conducted by Gible from March 2010. In all, 35 responses were received.- Conclusion
- The results slide reasonable smoothly from the generally acknowledged feature (Chaff), through the bugs that are infeasible to ban, those that we would hope to be fixed and finally to the one out-right cheat (Free-pop hack). As expected, the top four bugs are generally allowed, and there is a long tail of generally banned bugs. More interesting are the 3 bugs immediately after the accepted bugs (listed as 5-8) where responses are most evenly divided. Two of the three are (relatively) recently discovered bugs whose impact are acknowledged to be significant but there is no consensus on an effective method to cope with them and the third was fixed over 10yr ago.
- Method
- The survey was titled "Feature, Bug or cheat?" and was introduced with:
- The standard cheats disclaimers reads: "All cheats are banned except chaff and split fleet." Should this be changed? Below are listed all of the known player exploitable bugs. Which ones do you think should be allowed in a normal, vanilla game.
- For each bug/feature the description from Known Bugs was provided and the options of Allow, Ban or Other - where the user was able to suggest any alternative. You can submit a response here.
- Results
- In this result summary, the various cheats/features have been sorted according to the response from most in favour of being allowed to most in favour of being banned along with other responses where given. Not listed are repeated other responses, "fix it", "who cares", "irrelevant" and obscene responses.
Chaff
Allow: | 29 | 85% |
Ban: | 3 | 8% |
Other: | 2 | 5% |
Other responses:
- Not a bug
Split Fleet Dodge
Allow: | 25 | 71% |
Ban: | 4 | 11% |
Other: | 6 | 17% |
Other responses:
- Restrict within reason.
- Not a bug
ISB Trumps IT Gate Scanning
Allow: | 18 | 60% |
Ban: | 6 | 20% |
Other: | 6 | 20% |
Other responses:
- bug but not sure you can ban it.
- Enforcing a ban makes USB
- you can't really ban ISB, nor a specific gate when there are reasonable uses for both. if you see obvious abuse, maybe.
- Not a bug. Cloaking.
- Not preventable
Repair After Gating Loophole AKA SFX Merging
Allow: | 17 | 58% |
Ban: | 10 | 34% |
Other: | 2 | 6% |
Other responses:
- Up to the host. Rather hard to police
Exploding Minefield Dodge
Allow: | 14 | 46% |
Ban: | 13 | 43% |
Other: | 3 | 10% |
Other responses:
- Horrible bug. But avoiding it disadvantages the player.... So can't really ban it.
- Not preventable
- I think you have to allow this because I can't think of a reasonable way to ban it.
UR/CE Scrapping
Allow: | 13 | 40% |
Ban: | 14 | 43% |
Other: | 5 | 15% |
Other responses:
- no longer a problem, no minerals generated .7*.7=.49 < .5
Starbase Friendly Fire
Allow: | 11 | 36% |
Ban: | 16 | 53% |
Other: | 3 | 10% |
Other responses:
- mostly not done intentionally and often a reason to regen (only once per game, of course)
- Ban use of "Attack Everyone", allow "Attack (Player#)" only if the player's presented a decent case that they have a legit reason.
- "Attack Everyone" banned, "Attack player#" must be cleared with host first (legit situations exist).
Mine Damage Dodge
Allow: | 11 | 35% |
Ban: | 20 | 64% |
Other: | 0 | 0% |
Target List Overload
Allow: | 8 | 25% |
Ban: | 20 | 62% |
Other: | 4 | 12% |
Other responses:
- If hiding real fleets ban--there are real reasons to havE more than 100...ie. Playing the odds slamming fleets through mine fields so most of your fleet arrives and only some get stopped
- Resrict within reason
- Really annoying... But there is legitimate case (split fleet during crash sweep)
False Public Player Scores
Allow: | 8 | 25% |
Ban: | 17 | 54% |
Other: | 6 | 19% |
Other responses:
- If anyone is fooled by this it serves you right for not scanning diligently.
- Explicitly ban in non PPS games too (resource total not shown)
0.2% Minimum Damage
Allow: | 6 | 20% |
Ban: | 24 | 80% |
Other: | 0 | 0% |
Battle Board Overload
Allow: | 4 | 12% |
Ban: | 29 | 87% |
Other: | 0 | 0% |
Mineral Upload
Allow: | 2 | 5% |
Ban: | 27 | 77% |
Other: | 6 | 17% |
Other responses:
- There are other methods of denying spoils
- I want to say ban, but how do you enforce this? Except where the world is completely stripped, it'd be hard to know it'd happened.
Cheap Starbase
Allow: | 2 | 5% |
Ban: | 29 | 82% |
Other: | 4 | 11% |
Other responses:
- Thought rc4 fixed this.
Space Dock Armor Slot Buffer Overflow
Allow: | 1 | 3% |
Ban: | 30 | 93% |
Other: | 1 | 3% |
East-West Speed Bump Minefield Immunity
Allow: | 0 | 0% |
Ban: | 33 | 97% |
Other: | 1 | 2% |
North-South Minefield Immunity
Allow: | 0 | 0% |
Ban: | 33 | 94% |
Other: | 2 | 5% |
Other responses:
- Only Ban If you are purpusly going to a planet to attack.
Freepop Hack
Allow: | 0 | 0% |
Ban: | 33 | 94% |
Other: | 2 | 5% |
Other responses:
- Fixed